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Alex 19041

Alex 19041 is given a logged warning for violating the extended confirmed restriction even after saying they would abide by it. Further violations may result in immediate sanctions. If uncertain about whether an edit would violate the restriction, please ask an administrator. Est. 2021 is informally reminded of the importance of maintaining high standards of accuracy and clarity on contentious, high-profile articles. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Alex 19041

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Est. 2021 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Alex 19041 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA & WP:IBAN

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

21 January 2025

If contentious topics restrictions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:CTOP#Awareness of contentious topics)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

User talk:Alex 19041#Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion

Discussion concerning Alex 19041

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Alex 19041

I have been made aware of the rules and will follow them in the future - I hope this suffices as a statement as I don't think there is anything worth adding that hasn't been said already.

Update 25/01 And yes, i will leave this alone in the future and I have since this occured.

I won't comment on this further and I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to say and allegations of trying to wepaonise Wikipedia are laughable when this literally started wirh someone introducing factually wrong information to an important article. I will not edit in that space anymore but I'm very unhappy with the standards in that field.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex 19041 (talk • contribs) 15:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Est. 2021

@Rosguill, Deepfriedokra, Beeblebrox, and Valereee: They even tracked my name from that edit and posted it on social media for Zionist extremists to threaten me.[1] Aren't we supposed to feel safe when contributing to Wikipedia? This is not acceptable at all. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 11:43, 25 January 2025 (UTC) moved from below; please comment in own sectionValereee (talk) 12:06, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee: No, I did not; you must browse through my subpages to find it. But even if it was on my main page, that would not imply they could post it online in response to extremists' pages for them to harass and threaten me, as they did. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 12:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee: Again: private or not, that does not imply they could post it online in response to extremists' pages for them to harass and threaten me, as they did. IBAN is the least I could request. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 12:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Rainsage

This user has made another edit to the PIA topic area.
1. 26 January 2025
Rainsage (talk) 22:06, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Zero0000

When arbcom was asked to clarify the userspace exemption, they didn't clarify it at all. Since they didn't make any changes either, the definition in WP:PIA4 still holds:

For the purposes of editing restrictions in the ARBPIA topic area, the "area of conflict" shall be defined as encompassing

the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted ("primary articles"), and
edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace ("related content")

Now, category 1 doesn't apply to a user page (because it isn't an article), and category 2 explicitly excludes user pages. So user pages are not in the "area of conflict". That means that references to the "area of conflict" don't include userspace.

Looking back at the workshop page shows that this was my idea that arbcom accepted. So blame me ;). The idea was that people can play in their sandbox, break 1RR on their own user page, and stuff like that, without penalty.

There is some possibility for confusion due to "area of conflict" sometimes referring to a topic and sometimes referring to a set of pages, but in the definition here it is clearly indicating a set of pages. It is highly dubious that someone can violate a arbitration restriction from "the area of conflict" by an edit on their own user page. Of course there can be offenses that are not arbitration offenses. Zero^talk 02:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Alex 19041

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

To recap what's already been said at the initial hearing this got at ARBCOM, it has been identified that Alex19041 is not extended-confirmed, has now been made aware of the 30/500 editing restriction for PIA, has acknowledged that they should not make any edits to the topic, but has not quite acknowledged that they also should not make comments relating to the topic outside of article space. If they can acknowledge that, an IBAN would be unnecessary as they will not be engaging further with the discussion at-issue for some time. If they can't acknowledge that, we'd likely need to escalate to blocks, as there's no reason to expect the IBAN to be observed. Some concern was also raised that Est. 2021's replies to Alex 19041 included personal attacks, although it should be noted that Est. 2021 has made an effort to remove potentially-problematic statements from their prior comments at ARBCOM (sections on their talk page containing similar language have been removed entirely, which is within their purview on a user talk page). _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:25, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(came here from the ill-fated ArbCom case request). I agree with Rosguill. Some assurance from Alex 19041 and from Est. 2021 that they will leave the problematic edits behind would be good.-- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Est. 2021:. I'm sorry to hear that you have experienced off Wiki harassment. It would be best to email off-Wiki evidence to the Arbitration Committee --arbcom-en wikimedia.org and to Trust and Safety-- cawikimedia.org -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alex 19041: Looks like you've again edited in this area after saying you would not. There are about 6,000,000 articles not in this contentious topic area. I'm beginning to doubt you are here to build the encyclopedia. I'm beginning to think you are here to weaponize Wikipedia in this conflict. Please respond in your own section. Thanks. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alex, I agree with DFO. What are you doing adding content to that page? Valereee (talk) 19:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the reported user needs to show some understanding that as a non-EC user, they need to leave this CTOP alone across all namespaces. However, sanctions are for serious, ongoing problems, three unwelcome talk page posts made over the course of an hour does not strike me as sufficient cause for a formal iban. If there's more to it than that, it needs to be made clear, with diffs. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like Alex 19041 has edited since the case started. Alex, if you are seeing this, you do need to come in here and respond. Ignoring this will not make it go away. Valereee (talk) 15:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alex 19041, so you now understand that you must leave this topic alone, everywhere on Wikipedia?

@Est. 2021, ugh on the twitter post. Alex, that's not cool, people actually get threats IRL. But Est. 2021, you have so thoroughly outed yourself that this isn't considered outing under our policies. Valereee (talk) 12:19, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Est. 2021, it doesn't really matter that it's on a subpage. Nothing you post on Wikipedia is private. Valereee (talk) 13:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm forced to agree. If you post your real identity anywhere on WP, that's your decision and it is public. Of course I also agree with what Deepfriedokra has said about letting the office know about it. Beeblebrox ^Beebletalks 18:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that no policy is violating by attributing an edit to a publicly disclosed off-wiki identity. Also, as to the underlying dispute, @Est. 2021: Based on your talkpage comment I'm willing to believe that you were trying to avoid the exact error you wound up introducing, but, to be clear, you did introduce a serious factual error to the lead of a heavily-viewed and deeply controversial article. AirshipJungleman29 is entirely correct that the plain reading of On 7 October 2023, Hamas-led militant groups launched a surprise attack on Israel, taking 251 captive, against which Israelis responded applying the controversial Hannibal Directive, resulting in the death of 1,195 Israelis and foreign nationals, among which 815 civilians is that Israel killed all 1,195. If, as you indicate on the talkpage, that misunderstanding is because English is not your first language, that's fine, but you need to be more careful, especially in restoring something that was already removed once. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned that Alex 19041 is refusing to continue discussing here and is continuing to edit in the topic. A topic ban seems silly since they're refusing to comply with an ECR restriction; both require voluntary compliance. I hate to suggest a p-block from article space, as they do seem to want to contribute productively in other areas, but I'm not sure what else to do if they're refusing to comply/discuss. Valereee (talk) 19:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is beginning to look like a competence issue more than an intentional flouting of the rules. Based on the most recent statement [2] I would leave a final warning that making edits related to the Arab-Israeli conflict would be grounds for an immediate block. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I'd leave a comment. It looks like Alex 19041 hasn't participated here in a few weeks but they have come by a couple times to rewrite their only comment in this discussion. I left a note for them asking for them to post additional comments with recent signatures so we could see they are aware of the discussion here instead of making small changes to their existing remark. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alex may have left the project. I think we are getting close to needing a close here. --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They edited two days ago. Valereee (talk) 18:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to add another wrinkle to an already over-long case, but... Was there clearly a violation here? Okay, well, easy answer is yes, this edit was a violation, and it came immediately after a preceding edit saying they'd follow the rules, which is very troubling, but how we handle that depends a lot on whether that's the first or second violation. And there's an ambiguity in the rules there. Historically, I've warned a couple of users for violations of ARBPIA GS on user talk pages; I think I even blocked one, although it wasn't only for that and wasn't an AE action. Recently, someone pointed out to me that WP:CTOP/A-I § Definition of the "area of conflict" exempts userspace from "related content", and WP:USERSPACE includes usertalkpages. Now, my reply to that person was that I didn't read that clause as affecting how the ECR works, as it applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed. So even if a user talk page can't be "related content", it can still "relate[ ] to the topic area". But now that it's been pointed out to me, I hesitate to enforce an ambiguous provision without clarification from ArbCom.
All that said, even if an edit on a user talk page is actionable (which again, I do think it is), I think we can exercise some administrative discretion, especially looking to the spirit of the edit-requests exemption, and say that a user using usertalkspace to point out objective factual errors introduced into a PIA article is not really what the ECR is meant to be preventing. So on the question of what to actually do here, I would suggest we formally warn for the one clear-cut violation, note my informal warning to Est. 2021 for the AGF-but-still-serious factual errors, and close this. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 06:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the "someone" who mentioned the userspace exception to Tamzin. See also Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment/Archive 128#Definition of the "area of conflict" Clause 4 (b): Arbitrator views and discussion discussing that exception. Regardless of that point, I think a warning would suffice per Vanamonde. SilverLocust 💬 09:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree with a user using usertalkspace to point out objective factual errors introduced into a PIA article is not really what the ECR is meant to be preventing. I think ECR was meant to stop disruption caused by people who haven't had time to gain sufficient experience. And in many instances in this topic we see what one person considers objective factual errors to be anything but. I have no issue if you want to lessen a sanction because you agree that they were errors, but I wanted to note my concerns with the reasoning presented here. Barkeep49 (talk) 09:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Callmehelper

Consensus for a logged warning for edit-warring. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 07:01, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Callmehelper

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Srijanx22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Callmehelper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

4 January - Violates copyrights
19 January - Files a frivolous report against other editors, mislabels their edits as "vandalism" and then rudely responds to onlookers as also noted by Liz by saying "That's a very rude reply, Callmehelper."
19 January - Mislabels an edit as "vandalism".
21 January - Trying to get article on a non-notable subject created and not dropping the WP:STICK.
21 January - Casts WP:ASPERSIONS against the new page patrollers, and demeans them as "people those rejected are so much had biased opinions that I can't discuss."

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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Discussion concerning Callmehelper

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Statement by Callmehelper

This is my side ;

1 Allegation : Yes, it was indeed a copyright violation. This was my first encounter to something like copyright violation. Which i just copy-paste of a paragraph from govt website. Then one senior editor tell me in my talk page about what copyright violation is and how that works, and it was my very healthy and learning session for me tbh. Please see the whole discussion, then it will exhibit a full picture. First conversion happened in my talk page seethen little more conversations happened in his talk page pls see And ultimately matter solved and i learnt by this conversations and after that i never did anything like copyright violation. I don't know why this issue is used here against me.

2nd Allegation : This is little complex and long problem. Although i explain it very deeply during AN/I. But i will cut it short. It was started very much before. Firstly someone tag me about this vandalism by saying that one editor try to manipulate some paragraph in that page then i got involved in this. I restored that paragraph but it was reverted by again that guy and it keep going for sometime, then i told them in his talk page but he just delete that talk without replying, then i go for article talk page and write all that issue but no one replied, then i go to two administrator personal talk page, one was busy and one told me that i should go for AN/I but here also i got no reply for 2 days. after all that someone replied that i should go for main article talk page, which i was already did. this was disappointing for me as i feel in a loop as in talk page no one replied. so i replied very rudely but it was more of a frustration for 4 days. But nevertheless, I apologise to that editor and that senior editor named Lez who told me about my rudeness, in next reply. Moreover i also apologise to that editor in his talk page on same day.

3 Allegations : It was related to 2nd allegation. It was indeed a Vandalism, because after discussion done in that talk page[5] that editor was again removing all this , so i had to go to his talk page and said about this is Vandalism pls stop doing it but again that guy deleted my vandalism warning without replying to me see , But ultimately that editor stopped doing vandalism in that page and it then remains restored after so my efforts for continuous 5 days.
But i don't know how that respected complainer think that this is not vandalism? IT WAS VANDALISM.

4th & 5th Allegations : I am not aware about WP:Stick. Simply I make a draft and leave a (template submit) in my draft and then it goes for discussion. After so much long long conversations, it was finalized that the draft is still not acceptable as it lack Notability and i ultimately accept that and this conversation end in very light way. pls see

My Conclusion: I whenever make any statement in uncivil manner i never ever leave as it is without my apology. i apologise to those whenever i feel that i replied them in uncivil way.
As i am not so english fluent, so i don't have much dictionaries of words, so ultimately some my words reflect a little rudeness, but it was never be my intention. so apologise to him immediately.
Although i am new , but i am sure i will be adapt myself very soon about all the policies. I also work on myself perticularly about my choice of words.
Those seniors who seen my choice of bad words should advice/warm me in my talk page instead of going direct complaining, as i seen such policy as [WP:don't bit the newcomers], as i never ignored any type of warning/advice or suggestions.
This was my side.
I will accept any kind of warning or ban after all.
Thanks.
Much Regards.

@Valereee sorry Sir. this one edit seems not vandl , but it was his consecutive 3 to 4 times continuous reversion, even after discussion happened in talk page where that editor don't participate but other unrelated senior editor did whom i tag for help.
So i thought, he did revert again by neglecting talk page discussion , hence i restored that by calling stop Vandalism.
Now when i see WP:Vandalism policy very closely, it really didn't say that continuous incorrect edits a vandalism, it was more of a Continuous disruptive editing.
Apologise for my mistakes.
I should give more time to understand WP policy.
Thank you for letting know me Sir.
Regards Sir. Callmehelper (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2025 (UTC)moved to correct section, please comment only in your own section Valereee (talk)[reply]

@Rosguill . Pls give your valuable time to understand whole matter, since you asked.

Issue : Today revert by me on Ambedkar Jayanti Page :-

This is a month ago matter, when I edit many changes in that page from Here to current With citations.
But @Ratnahastin changed all by saying i am pushing my POV here , but it was according to me not POV, but a well known fact that Ambedkar regards as the chief architect of constitution of India with citations. so i revert and tell him that its not POV , citations are there which claim that that discription about ambedkar you can see , He again revert by claiming same thing that i am POV pushing see without explanation of the the sources that i provided. so i again revert by saying pls read citations also, see.
After that He came to my talk page about this issue, pls see this short conversation.
Then after some 1 or 2 day, other editor (who take action here about me ) revert it by saying no improvement needed needed. So i revert by saying this but he again revert by saying solve your problem in main article.
I will talk about later in detail about whole main article issue which is totally different from here but here they don't question citations that i provided here, they just revert by saying POV pushing or not necessary.
So i go to there talk page for talk about the issue. but again stick with the line solve your issue first on main article .
After that i take article Page talk page for discussion. and revert his earlier reversion and tell him to discuss the issue in talk page
But instead for talk , he preferred for block action action against me - here and where i told about whole issue then administrator decline my block and preferred to involve in talk page see

Here matter remain quite silent for 1 month , but today again , @Ratnahastin revert it by saying discuss in talk page. but in talk page, no one talk about credibility of sources that i provided which is secondary, govt etc. so i revert today and reply to stick with the sources.
That's the all matter of Bhim Jayanti page.
Now let's talk about little Main article B R Ambedkar page issue.
Where the way lead was written, I thought need to be revised. so being that time a new not extended user, i take talk page discussion, but there @Ratnahastin came and give his opinion which is misleading, when I reply to him to correct your fact , he don't reply back.
In that discussion both give wrong information, and once i corrected them they won't reply and just changed lead by claiming, we had discussion on talk page but in talk page matter won't solve
After this whole discussion, they always try to impose me that we had discussion in main article about your claim and that was debunk , which is entirely different.
They give wrong info , and when i informed about their error, they won't reply further and changed on their WP:OR. see 1 then i again for talk page then they revised.
This is whole issue.
Whenever I edit anything on Ambedkar related based on what i read on the books or journals or articles, i try to write in that page for articles enrichement , but these editors just came click revert and call that by single line like POV pushing or puffery or anything. they don't talk about the WP:RS that i provided. they should talk about how or which paragraph is unsourced or puffery or unacademic etc , but they never do. they just give their prejudice mind opinions.
This is all about my side.
i think i all that i want to say. Rest is on administrators.
Thanks.
Much Regards. Callmehelper (talk) 20:45, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill, Dear Adminstrator. pls Listen to me. don't apply TL:DR
Ratnahastin manipulate things, He say A and present link to you B, thinking that Administrator can't catch it. But i will show you how they manipulate things.
Pls listen my side , it's month issue they try to mixing and present to you that i am edit warring but i am not. It's all timing confusion
In very first encounter of you with me you ask me :

Can you please address your edits there particularly this edit today?

I didn't edit. It was there for month, First he revert whole text that day then i simply revert it by saying sources are there.
But here is a catch, his last reply in talk page was there for a month, and that last reply by him was discussed by me when Srijanx reported me for violating 3R one month ago. and Adminstrator told that it's not violation and discussion open for talk page, but Srijanx and Ratnahastin didn't reply in talk page, so his reply remain as last reply. But you should ask him why he revert whole text that was there for month ? only because his reply was last?
After my revert that day , i reply to his one old reply (since I don't know that his fallacy reply, he will used against me after one month)
After discussion with him , look what i realised. what they do ,

first they disagree with the title 'chief architect' , he try very hard to disregard it , but i will show to him the best known contemporary scholars writing, then he suddenly taking about like just it is reliable didn't necessarily to add it , then i understand his motive. he didn't want to add this title although he know that.

After this realisation, I go for third opinion as suggested by you. And finally 3:0 suggested that i should go for main page about adding of Chief architect word as this title should also be in main article.

after 3:0 suggestion, i myself removed that title 'chief architect' and add his official post.

NOW Question come here is that How and what, i didn't address after whole talk with Ratnahastin and Third opinion? Also
Pls, ask Ratnahastin and Srijanx that what actually these people have probelms,even i removed whole main argument part??
As you see today Srijanx revert all my edits, even though i removed that argument part. Ask him why they revert whole part since my last edit. I guarantee, he didn't have answers. he just try to no one should add single postive things or even a reference in that page , as they are hijacked by both. he just turned whole table against me.
Also when i talk with their pages about his revert one month before, they don't reply. they just archive those talk.
Now Srijanx last revert is very wrong, he should self-revert or ask him that whats the problem with my last edit.
Thanks. Callmehelper (talk) 00:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill , okay okay. i understand my talk page heading is not academic.
but listen, i already backoff after 3:0 involvement.
i allready removed my desirable edit in my last edit. but the more recent edit of srijanx is not required. also as per whole talk page discussion , i removed the arguments line already. whole discussion about not add Chief architect line , and i already removed that Callmehelper (talk) 02:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ratnahastin

@Rosguill: The above acknowledgements by Callmehelper seem nothing more than lip-service. He has resumed his page ownership and edit warring with multiple editors at Ambedkar Jayanti, even after being told months ago that he should avoid rehashing same debunked argument which was already addressed on the main article.[6] However, he is continuing that in violation of WP:ONUS, and is still ignoring WP:BRD.[7] - Ratnahastin (talk) 18:24, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: Callmehelper kept replying endlessly without addressing the main argument. He failed to make the self-revert[8] even after he was told by an uninvolved editor that he should avoid adding the controversial information on the article whose main page certainly lacks it.[9] I don't find his approach collaborative. - Ratnahastin (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Callmehelper

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Callmehelper, I don't see how this edit is vandalism? Simply being incorrect is not vandalism. Please read about what Wikipedia considers to be WP:VANDALISM. If after reading it you still don't understand the difference, you're going to need to stop using the term. Valereee (talk) 12:32, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a man. I know you may have been taught it's polite to use honorifics, but that isn't necessary on the English Wikipedia. No one will think you're rude if you don't call them sir/ma'am, and doing so risks calling women "sir". Valereee (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~I think this report can be closed without further action.~~ While the diffs highlighted in this report are subpar, Callmehelper has admitted their errors and resolved to do better. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 03:01, 2 February 2025 (UTC) Partially struck. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:41, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ratnahastin, thank you for bringing these more recent diffs to my attention. I agree that the slow-motion edit warring is not appropriate. Callmehelper, can you please explain the reasoning behind your edits at Ambedkar Jayanti. From what I can see at that page, you appear to be slow-motion edit warring against the objections of Srijanx22 and Ratnahastin. Can you please address your edits there particularly this edit today? The discussion on the talk page does not demonstrate a firm consensus one way or another, and Ratnahastin's comments indicate that this dispute is related to other discussions (which I have not investigated in detail but which, ceteris paribus, would indicate that there's even less support for your edit than what is indicated at Talk:Ambedkar Jayanti). _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:38, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Callmehelper, the correct answer I was looking for would have been something along the lines of "I am sorry for edit warring, being right isn't enough". Further edits to that article should have been avoided until the matter was resolved on the talk page; if discussion with Ratnahastin was not heading towards consensus, you should have appealed to any number of dispute resolution options. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:59, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Callmehelper, I had already reviewed the entire relevant page history dating through November 2024 and the attendant discussion on the talk page. Ratnahastin responded to you on the talk page less than 6 hours after you posted there (Special:Diff/1265267690). It was not a particularly deep response, but frankly given that you titled the section Why some editors don't Understand the basic things?, I don't blame them for feeling less than eager to discuss with you at length. Regardless of the quality of the response, it is enough of an objection to require you to stop reinstating your desired edit pending resolution to the dispute. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 02:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd appreciate other admin(s) to weigh in here, but to summarize my thoughts I am currently thinking that a logged warning about edit warring for Callmehelper would be appropriate, with a stricter sanction only necessary if edit warring resumes. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seems appropriate to me. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Logged warning works. Valereee (talk) 23:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AE updates (two party limit, balanced editing restriction, and thanks from ArbCom)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § AE updates (two party limit, balanced editing restriction, and thanks from ArbCom)

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Ecpiandy

A misunderstanding about the implementation of TBANs has been resolved. Ecpiandy is given a logged warning for topic ban violations, and should understand that future violations are likely to result in a lengthy or indefinite block. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 01:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Ecpiandy

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Rainsage (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:47, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ecpiandy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: 26 July 2024 Indefinite topic ban from Arab-Israeli conflict

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

22 November 2024 PIA topic area
15 December 2024 PIA topic area
29 December 2024 PIA topic area
29 December 2024 PIA topic area
29 December 2024 PIA topic area
29 December 2024 PIA topic area
30 December 2024 PIA topic area
18 January 2025 Responds to message from User:Vice_regent about their topic ban saying they had forgotten about it
29 January 2025 PIA topic area
29 January 2025 PIA topic area
29 January 2025 PIA topic area
29 January 2025 PIA topic area
30 January 2025 Blanks their Talk page after I post a message about topic ban
31 January 2025 PIA topic area
01 February 2025 PIA topic area

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

26 July 2024 1 week block for edit warring
9 August 2024 1 week block for violating topic ban

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27 July 2024 Responds to 1 week ban by promising to follow topic ban
20 September 2024 Topic ban appeal was denied

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I only included a sample of their edits violating topic ban; there are many more.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

01 February 2025

Discussion concerning Ecpiandy

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Statement by Ecpiandy

Yes I have been updating the content to reflect the new article title I have not been doing anything controversial. If you want to ban me then fine, I've been an editor for a long time all I want to do is improve the encyclopedia. Ecpiandy (talk) 02:49, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Reply to Rosguill] Well I'd rather have a year ban instead of a perm ban if that's what you're looking at, I don't want my history to be wiped. Ecpiandy (talk) 19:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which by the way, I can say I will intend to follow any guidelines going forward but I thought I would have been blocked from even attempting to edit articles I am not allowed to edit. As I say I've not been subject to a topic ban before in my long time here. I can hold fire on anything while I revise the current guidelines. Ecpiandy (talk) 19:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Reply to Liz] I've never been subject to a topic ban before now. Ecpiandy (talk) 19:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Reply to Seraphimblade] As per before, these are not controversial edits but if I am to be suspended I'd rather it be a year or two years I would rather not have my history suspended when I am trying to improve the encyclopedia. Ecpiandy (talk) 19:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Reply to Guerrillero] Bit harsh considering how many edits and articles I've made in my time here. Ecpiandy (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[Reply to Valereee] Fair enough I understand now, I don't want a permanent ban because I enjoy helping the encyclopedia I'd rather an annual ban if that's what it will come to but I have more to offer to this site going forward in years to come. Ecpiandy (talk) 00:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC) moving to section, Ecpiandy please reply in your own section Valereee (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Valeree Ecpiandy (talk) 01:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything else I can do to help my case here? I did not know a thing about topic bans prior to this aside from me not being able to add certain corrections on Arab/Palestine-Israeli articles and I thought I would have had a block on the articles, I fully understand how difficult it would've been to do a personal block on so many articles now and I won't make the mistake again I'm just not familiar with such bans because I've never needed to be subject to such measures majority of my time on here. Anything I need to do going forward just let me know. I'm not mainly on this encyclopedia to just edit Palestine articles I'm on here to help grow all of Wikipedia to an academic level for a large range of topics so I'm willing to comply on whatever is necessary. If you look at most of my history on Wikipedia it isn't mostly related to this conflict Ecpiandy (talk) 02:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Seraphimblade Ecpiandy (talk) 19:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Ecpiandy

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Ecpiandy, a topic ban does not mean that you may not make controversial edits in the topic area. It means you may not make any edits in the topic area at all. After repeated warnings, if you don't understand that, I don't see any outcome but an indefinite block as you clearly are either unwilling or unable to abide by the restriction. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And looking now, I'm even seeing ban violating edits after Ecpiandy replied here: [10], [11], [12] as some examples but not an exhaustive list. Given this, I don't see any solution but an indef here. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:53, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this editor understands that a topic ban covers all edits regarding a subject in all areas of the project. Unfortunately, the evidence is strong here that either Ecpiandy either doesn't understand topic bans or is unwilling to abide by Wikipedia guidelines. As a longtime editor, either one of these scenarios is unfortunate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Liz and Seraphimblade. I would be inclined to show clemency if the offending edits were all truly controversy-free improvements like fixing grammar, but as Seraphimblade identifies they also include edits to material that has been the subject of extensive disputes, and has been repeated several times. If there were any indication from Ecpiandy that they intend to follow community rules going forward a shorter sanction could be justified on the basis of a long history productive edits elsewhere, but their responses here do not provide room for this possibility. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:02, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As a temporary matter pending resolution of this enforcement request, I've blocked Ecpiandy from editing articles for continuing to violate the topic ban. SilverLocust 💬 17:27, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think an indef is our only option here --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ecpiandy, maybe it's possible you don't realize we can't simply block you from editing articles you are topic-banned from? That would require us to block you from in this case possibly thousands of articles. That is a manual process, and honestly I'm thinking it's not possible, tech-wise. Valereee (talk) 22:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, @Ecpiandy, so you now understand you are not allowed to edit anywhere within the scope of the Arab-Israeli conflict, you believe you understand what that means, you understand that any questions about what it means should be dealt with only on your own user talk, and you intend to comply? Valereee (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not unsympathetic to this line of questioning/thinking for an editor who has edited since 2011 (though with some edit warring blocks before). What are you suggesting as an outcome Valereee because I admit I also don't love someone violating a topic ban while at AE for violating their topic ban. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I have seen multiple times experienced editors who are not experienced in PIA issues -- editors whose previous focus was in completely different areas -- who because of this crisis, come into this area and end up getting into trouble. This seems like it might be one of those editors. I'm suggesting we treat this editor as a very new editor -- which in this topic they seem to be -- and maybe take into account the possibility they don't really even understand what they've stumbled into. Valereee (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a reasonable explanation, Valereee. In general, I steer clear of CTOP subjects (except for BLPs) unless admin responsibilities draw me into them. Too many landmines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given Ecpiandy's most recent response, and the discussion I see between Liz and Valereee, I suppose I'd be willing to treat this as a "didn't get it" situation, since there have been no further violations since then. I would want to be very clear to Ecpiandy, though, that you certainly now clearly understand what it means to be topic banned, and any further violations are almost certain to lead to an indefinite block. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree; I don't think an indef is currently necessary given Ecpiandy's assurances since 4 February. SilverLocust 💬 04:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've lifted my temporary block. Unless someone still wishes to indef Ecpiancy (all comments urging that were from before his replies on 4 February), I'd just close this with a warning. SilverLocust 💬 02:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boksi

CU blocked by me. Barkeep49 (talk) 11:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Boksi

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Vice regent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Boksi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

This user edit-wars without discussing, sometimes contrary to consensus.

16:44, January 27, 2025 . Restoring material, without any discussion despite the fact I had pinged them on the talk page more than a week ago.
16:40, January 27, 2025 . No attempt to engage in ongoing discussion.
18:33, January 15, 2025 Restored article. At the time of their revert, there was consensus that the article should be merged. Their edit summary "consensus takes time to achieve" indicated they were aware of this discussion but chose not to participate.
18:36, January 15, 2025 Mass deletion without adequate explanation
Feel free to look through their contributions. Its giving me a WP:NOTTHERE vibe. They show up to revert, don't discuss, and then fall quiet.

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Discussion concerning Boksi

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Statement by IOHANNVSVERVS

Also of note:

Another unjustified removal of significant sourced content

Another relevant talk page "discussion"

-IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49, they've already responded. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sean.hoyland

It is unfortunate that Boksi didn't answer my question here. I would like to understand whether their application of WP:G5 is selective or neutral. Editors were recently topic banned on the basis of 'non-neutral' editing. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:37, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the "I think this might be a compromised account" comment. The rather abrupt change in edit summary style coinciding with the move to PIA editing is consistent with this possibility. Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Boksi

Hello. I just saw that I was tagged. As you can see, I'm not very here in recent weeks, a bit busy I can admit. Anyway, I don't think this case is too complicated. We're talking about an editor (Iskandar323) who, ever since getting his topic ban on the Israeli-Arab conflict, keeps spending a huge amount of time with disruptions in articles on Israel history, deleting a lot of content about the Jewish Temples in Jerusalem (even edit warring!!! against consensus on Solomon's Temple (look on [15] [16] [17] [18] and stopping only after the fifth time) and Jewish figures ([19]) or museums dealing with the Holocaust ([20]). I think that's the real violation here, and that's what should be in discussion. Boksi (talk) 16:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Smallangryplanet

Possibly a compromised account.

Boksi created their account back in 2008. They were moderately active for a couple of years, following periods of limited or no activity (an average of ±30 edits between 2012-2017). Boksi made no edits in 2018, 2019 and 2022, less than 50 in 2020-2021, and 24 in 2023. Up until that point, all of their edits were related to Serbia, usually the Serbian military. Then suddenly in November 2024 they started editing in the PIA topic. First they moved to request deletion of articles created by a sock, and it is unclear how they were aware this person was a sock since they never participated in any discussion involving them or in the case that uncovered said sock as a sock.

Once they started being moderately active again, nearly all of their edits have been in PIA or involving editors active in PIA. All of their edits in PIA include descriptions...which are also not common in their previous edits (in fact, they usually didn't add any summaries), and most are either reversions, removing content, or alluding to WP:SYNTH and WP:NPOV issues. They also participated in the ARBPIA5 case highlighting perceived pro Palestinian bias, singling out specific editors they considered biased, and voted in the second AfD for the article Calls for the destruction of Israel, despite never having interacted with it or its previous AfD. As highlighted by other editors they also usually engage in edit warring. This sudden focus on PIA seems to me to be entirely out of character, considering their past activity. I think this might be a compromised account. Smallangryplanet (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Boksi

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I am unimpressed by the repeated reverts with no talk page engagement, and also by the claim of reverting a TBAN violation that in fact had occurred before the TBAN was enacted. I would like to hear from Boksi before deciding what to do. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Iskandar has already been TBANned - they also had nothing at all to do with most of the examples above, and in the one case where Boksi reverted them, it occurred before the TBAN was levied and therefore was not in fact a TBAN violation. The response is textbook WP:NOTTHEM, and I would propose a TBAN from ARBPIA. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the activity pattern is odd, but we're outside the window for technical evidence to be able to detect a compromise, and I don't believe the behavior is sufficient by itself. We have to treat the account on its merits regardless, and my views as to that are above. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am also unimpressed. I would be open to an indef or a topic ban if we hear nothing from them in 48 hours. --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:18, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Guerillero, we did hear from them in the end. As you can see, not terribly encouraging. -- asilvering (talk) 03:24, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The editor hasn't edited since 1/27. I think don't know if it's reasonable to expect them back on the project in the next 2 days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then they probably shouldn't be editing about the most contentious conflict in the world -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:03, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to support a topic ban. However, Liz's point that no further harm is caused by an editor who hasn't edited since days before this was filed is a good one. I'd let them have a full week to respond before closing without their response. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:50, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks IOHANNVSVERVS I somehow skipped over that section entirely when reading this report. After reading and looking at the diffs I do support a topic ban. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to close this with consensus to TBAN, and then I read Smallangryplanet's comment above, and took a closer look. Yeah, all of this account's edits since November are textbook returning-topic-warrior behavior, most reminiscent of Icewhiz, in an area they never showed interest in before, with only a few edits made in their old area of interest (which anyone could do as a façade upon taking over an account). I can't say definitively that the account was compromised/sold (and CU would be of no use, so I didn't request it), but I am confident on the behavioral evidence that the person currently operating the account is doing so with undisclosed past participation in the topic area on some other account, because there is no other way to explain this. So this is WP:PROJSOCK at a minimum and Icewhiz socking at a maximum, and thus I have blocked indefinitely as a regular-admin action. Neutral on whether to TBAN as well or just close this. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 07:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toa Nidhiki05

Toa Nidhiki05 topic-banned from WP:CT/AP, Warrenmck formally warned for casting aspersions _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:14, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning Toa Nidhiki05

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Warrenmck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:04, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Toa Nidhiki05 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Toa is continuing the same behaviour that got them TBANned from American politics in 2022, with the exact same MO in what appears to be a WP:CPUSH. I'm about to be accused of venue shopping since the admins let the ANI go stale, but there was still a general consensus this should have been an AE posting and Toa seems to be continuing the behaviour as if nothing happened. A link to that discussion can be found here. I highly recommend reading the whole thing for anyone who is patient enough, because Toa repeats the exact behaviour he's accused of in the ANI.

I'm not going to respond to any direct accusations from Toa, but please consider verifying any claims they make about other editors. That was a bit of an issue at the ANI.

diff Toa insisted that a change could not be made, citing prior consensus, and linked three posts which do not show prior consensus. Toa refused to provide any evidence of a prior consensus.
diff Toa tried in the ANI to get around providing any evidence of a prior consensus, when they finally provided anything they called the consensus they linked fundamentally flawed. This claim doesn't stand up to scrutiny (diff)
diff Added a source which failed verification, then removed the failed verification tag. Attempts to engage Toa discussing this went wholly unanswered (diff), though in response they WP:POINT added a ton of failed verification tags to the article (diff), then started a new discussion thread about that (link). Many of those sources did not fail verification, and they've refused to engage with any editors around clarifications to their standards for inclusion, despite being repeatedly asked (diff).
diff During the RFC, over and over asked for academic sources then wholly ignored them when they were provided, insisting they'd never been put forward and "nothing new" was presented, again pointing to the mythical previous consensus (diff), which in almost a month of back and forth on a talk page they haven't provided any evidence of.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

5/11/22 TBAN for identical behaviour as this AE

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This is exhausting. Toa has been guarding against the inclusion of "far right" on Republican Party (United States) page for fourteen years (diff). Practically every uninvolved editor in the ANI saw the issue, so I'm just going to repeat the most pertinent line from the last WP:AE sanction:

There is seemingly no condition under which they would accept this edit resulting from the second dispute, regardless of any baseis in Wikipedia policies or guidelines, and which appears to already have a rough consensus in favor of it.

Toa appears to use a refusal to engage as a shield against edits they don't like. They shortcut the BRD process to hold the article in a status quo regardless of sourcing, consensus, or talk page discussions. Beyond just not engaging, Toa often starts parallel discussions which are related but exclude their behaviour, then point to that as evidence that they are attempting to engage in good faith (addendum: an exact behaviour they have repeated below).

@Liz: I think it’s not really reasonable to call this a content dispute. I don’t edit AP2 articles, generally, so this isn’t exactly a long running topic I’m involved with. I think plenty of us are willing to reasonably discuss the content of the article, but if Toa was then they’d be putting forward evidence for the status quo they claim is rock solid and we wouldn’t be able to point to them repeatedly asking for evidence they don’t actually appear to want, which is identical to the complaint at the last WP:AE. It can’t be a content dispute if one editor simply refuses to discuss it, citing imagined prior consensus and straight up disregarding that sources have been provided, while showing up at an ANI and AE saying the place to hash that out is on the relevant talk page.

@Nableezy: set a standard for evaluating the accusations here I think is completely fair. If there are any diffs I am missing to back up statements I made (or counter ones from Toa) please let me know. However, this:

Warrenmck is lying about the source verification - you can literally go to the talk page right now and find discussions I’m engaging in about the sources

is the exact behaviour from when I accused him of not honestly engaging above. I provided a link showing that Toa not once substantively responded to a discussion about one of his sources failing verification, but instead WP:POINT added a bunch of failed verification tags then started a new thread about that while accusing me of lying about their engagement. This is, to put it mildly, absurd. link to the discussion they’re taking umbrage in, and link to the actual discussion where they ignored the substance of the discussion entirely.

It is likely worth mentioning since twice now I've been accused of trying to adjudicate a content dispute that I don't think is going my way here, that I do actually believe the RfC is going my way and, for the most part, have wholly stepped out of even touching these pages since the ANI. I would hope my long history of editing on contentious topics would indicate that I don't abuse administrative processes in content disputes, but only in behavioural disputes. I think a lot of claims of wrongdoing are being thrown around in here which likely need some supporting diffs. One reason I responded so much in both the ANI and RfC is repeated here: I get constantly accused of wrongdoing without diffs or context. For example, in the ANI I was accused by Toa (diff) of threatening to unilaterally add in far right to the infobox. This is true. It also leaves out the context that both Toa and Springee kept citing prior consensus that it couldn't be included while abjectly refusing to provide any evidence of said prior consensus (diff). It's not unreasonable to treat an editor objecting to the inclusion of something on completely arbitrary grounds they won't back up as not actually having a substantive objection worth weighting over Wikipedia's policies for inclusion. There isn't an opening for discussion on the talk page in response to "There's prior consensus. This edit isn't happening. No you may not see the prior consensus, and this discussion is over and we should have a moratorium on the topic."

I'm not going to respond to further accusations from involved editors, but I want to make it extremely clear to the admins here I'm fully willing to have my own actions scrutinized and I would just like to say that it's quite hard to engage with a firehose of diff-less accusations which seem to weaponize their exclusion of context without talking too much, which sort of feels like the point of the rapid fire accusations. Couple that with administrators taking claims at face value and you have a recipe for responding too much. Like I said, I'll stop replying here unless directly asked to support one of my statements or counter another's.

I would greatly appreciate if anyone saying "this appears to be a content dispute" could actually provide a diff of Toa showing where the local consensus they're relying on was established is (the closest they got was this diff, which contained three links that did not show a local consensus). Or perhaps a diff of them responding to the sources they themselves asked for (diff).

To respond to @Rosguill:, I think the characterization of my behaviour with regards to bludgeoning is fair, it wasn't my intent but it absolutely did cross the line. I would hope Toa's description of other discussions that they link to here are generally misleading. is factored in to consider why I kept responding, but bludgeoning is bludgeoning. It wasn't my intent to misrepresent the prior AE and if that occurred, then it was out of line from me and the sanction is also reasonable, and apologies to Toa for that. My read of it was possibly insufficiently nuanced and focused on the quoted section above.

Question: In all honesty, can I respond directly to the bludgeoning thing? I'm not trying to bludgeon further and can recognize and accept there's sanction-warranting behaviour on my part, but I feel there's something substantial being overlooked. If "no" I'll leave it.

I think neither Toa nor I realized replies counted against the word count. The original word count of my filing was in the ~490s, as evidence. I was warned against bludgeoning and mostly disengaged entirely after that (diff) but accept a sanction is warranted given there and here. But we have a situation where an editor was routinely casting aspersions and misrepresenting their engagement in a very civil way in discussions, and people were taking that at face value. While I responded too much, I was routinely being directly accused of refusing to accept prior consensus, refusing to listen to other editors, and lying in accusations which have now been found to be untrue. It took until this AE for readers to actually verify the context.

I strongly disagree that misrepresenting consensus for a CPUSH and bludgeoning with the above context warrant identical levels of sanctioning. One isn’t bad faith.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Toa Nidhiki05

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Statement by Toa Nidhiki05

There’s nothing I can say here that wasn’t already said in the AN/I thread, and I’m flying home today anyway, so I don’t have the time to. As in the AN/I, Warrenmck is simply lying, or giving half-truths - specifically, no, my topic ban was for embarrassing, disruptive behavior, which I have apologized for and haven’t repeated. You can clearly see what it was at the old AE - the behavior is not identical, and Wareenmck is not being honest about that. What Wareenmck is upset about is a content dispute, which they are creatively dubbing a content push. I profusely apologize that editors are going to have to read the AN/I thread, which was a phenomenal waste of time for everyone involved.

Fundamentally, Warrenmck is not being honest. Many uninvolved editors (see here and here) in the thread were confused or bewildered by the report, and numerous other editors (see here, here, here) said it is a clear content dispute that should be closed and resolved on the page. There was no consensus for an AE report - although Warrenmck repeatedly floated the idea, the thread expired due to inactivity. Warrenmck is lying about the page consensus; the talk page, and numerous other editors, have confirmed it to them. Warrenmck is lying about the source verification - you can literally go to the talk page right now and find discussions I’m engaging in about the sources, including replacement sources to back up the claims in question.

Towards the end of the AN/I report, Warrenmck was even accusing other editors (specifically Springee) of being part of a vast conspiracy to keep the content Warrenmck wants off the page. Meanwhile, Warrenmck’s own, proposed edits seem unlikely to be added: the RfC (which Warrenmck set up) for adding “far-right”, in particular, appears set to fail, with a 2:1 margin opposing it with at least two dozen participants so far.

Previous comments redacted due to word count limit

Just as a quick response: the claim Simonmn repeatedly presented me with sources and I personally rejected them is not accurate. In fact, you can find an example of the opposite here, where Simonmn made a claim (Mitt Romney is center-right) and refused to provide sourcing for it when I asked because "that's a WP:SKYBLUE statement".

As far as I can tell, Simonmn presented sources twice on the talk page twice, based on the diffs they gave in this AE report (see: here and [21]). You can clearly see that, in neither situation did they tag me, direct the comment at me, or respond to something I said; the first was their !vote, and the second was part of a discussion with Springee, not me, and both were part of a very, very large RfC. If either were directed at me - I genuinely did not notice. If the complaint is I didn't respond to them here - I was already told that I was violating word count, and Simonm didn't initially link to either here. Toa Nidhiki05

I'd like to respond to the diff Simonm cited in their response. The diff is actually in response to a separate, later debate over including "center-right" in the infobox. The citations Simonm provided in the RfC (which as I said above, were not a response to me, nor was I tagged in) were regarding including "far-right" in the infobox, and were in an entirely separate, earlier discussion. The fact remains that Simonm did not link me to these sources.

Compare that to this discussion, where Simonm directly presented sources to me in relation to a content dispute. I not only responded to them, but I gave reasoning for my thoughts on them, and suggested that we should use one of them (the second one) on the page. Toa Nidhiki05 17:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only on Wikipedia can you be topic banned for behavior that a majority of admins have said, in this thread, probably doesn't warrant a topic ban. Just get it over with already. Toa Nidhiki05 13:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Simonm223

First off this is not forum shopping. The reason the AN/I filing was closed is because most of the parties to that discussion felt it was more appropriate to address complex behavioural issues such as CPUSH at AE. Second, as an example of CPUSH, Toa Nidhiki05 has been quite persistent in insisting that academic sources should be provided for including far-right in the list of Republican political ideologies. With that in mind I spent considerable time in Wikipedia Library finding academic sources that did just that. Unless I somehow missed it, to this day, Toa Nidhiki05 has never even acknowledged that those sources were found, let alone conceded the presence of multiple WP:BESTSOURCES would support some inclusion of the term far-right. In other words it appears they set the standard assuming nobody would go through the effort and, when I did go through the effort, they decided to just ignore those sources. This is exceptionally frustrating. Reading academic papers about the Republican Party isn't exactly my idea of fun and to have that effort just ignored when it was asked for is frankly insulting. Simonm223 (talk) 18:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and the claim Toa Nidhiki05 is making about the RFC is only based on their up-down vote-count and disregards strength of argument. Nobody except Toa Nidhiki05 is treating the RFC as decided. Simonm223 (talk) 18:51, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's deeply tedious that I needed to get to the point of putting diffs into an AE case just for Toa Nidhiki05 to acknowledge that these sources were presented. Here's where the sources are: [22] [23]. I also want to comment on what Springee said below. Yes, TN05 has, for the most part, except for in their comportment toward Warrenmck, been generally civil. That's what the C in WP:CPUSH stands for. However WP:OWN issues, vague gestures toward prior consensus, calls for moratoria mid-RFC, claims of having "won" the RFC in order to divert attention from complaints regarding their behavioural issues, these are all stalling tactics in order to effectively says, "consensus cannot exist unless I allow it." And I should note that TN05 is rather unique in these behavioural issues. Note that I am not complaining about CPUSH behaviour from Springee who has generally held the same opinions as TN05. Regardless of the statements to the contrary, if this were an attempt to adjust the result of an RFC on the basis of AE action then it is a remarkably badly planned one since, as TN05 has been quick to point out, their position of continuing to call the Republicans principally center-right has a numerical advantage in the RfC and TN05 has not contributed anything significant enough that their !vote would be missed so long as Springee were still counted. And, as I've had to remind TN05 more than once, RFCs are not decided by a vote. Simonm223 (talk) 12:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I directly responded to TN05 here advising them that I'd provided reliable sources. When they ignored this statement I brought it up several more times at the article talk page. Regarding the Romney incident the reason why I was initially reticent to provide sources supporting the WP:SKYBLUE statement that he is a center-right (or farther right) politician was because I was feeling quite ignored for those sources I had provided. I then provided an WP:ABOUTSELF source of Romney claiming to be right-wing himself. TN05 rejected this as being too dated to be reliable (the source was from 2012). TN05, however, did not present any sources supporting calling Romney a centrist even after they were asked. The demand for sources on Romney was, by the way, something TN05 requested as a method of refuting this relatively bromine statement [24]. I replied first by asking for reliable sources that disputed my characterization of Romney [25] but none were provided. Then we got the bit above regarding WP:ABOUTSELF not being good enough. TN05 then complained that the aside, that they'd initiated by disputing my characterization of Romney, was getting too forumy. [26]. Frankly these are all core examples of what I am talking about with CPUSH. The requests, taken in isolation, are reasonable enough. But serially they are disruptive. Simonm223 (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Nableezy

Repeatedly saying somebody is lying and being dishonest, here of all places, requires some sort of evidence or a block/ban for "casting aspersions". If somebody is accusing somebody else of lying they need to prove that, and in that case the liar should be given a block/ban or some sort, or be blocked/banned for the attack. nableezy - 21:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Springee

This is a place holder statement as I am drafting a longer reply with links. This is an attempt to use the ANI/ARE process to win a content dispute. Warren and a few other editor's own behaviors have contributed to this issue. Ultimately the problem here is a combination of Warren PUSHing for changes that simply don't have consensus (see the current status of the far-right RfC on the page) as well as some rapid fire, sometimes questionable edits made by Warren and others around the time the ANI was opened. Additionally, the long lists of claimed references that "prove" something only to fall short when examined in detail, also have raised frustration levels. Warren and a few others are certain they have been correct but have failed on several fronts. Warren never reached out to TN to discuss any issues off line (an obvious first step to dealing with perceived editor behavior issues). Warren and others engaged in a pattern of edit first then get frustrated when things were reverted (with a bit of tag teaming mixed in) rather than take the more cautious approach of proposing changes first. When Warren and others were unable to convince TN (and a few others, myself included) the answer was ANI rather than using things like RfCs to answer their other topic disputes. Even in the case where Warren did open a RfC they replied 36 times to many editors in their own RfC. If TN's actions suggest they are frustrated, I don't blame them. This is a case of a few like minded editors PUSHing some changes without taking it slow and ensuring there is a clear talk page consensus first. Having failed on the talk page Warren took things to ANI. Having failed at ANI they are coming here. Springee (talk) 12:05, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two more comments, while Simonm233 is correct that a RfC is decided by weight of argument, not just numbers, it should be clear at this point that the arguments presented (including Warren's 36 replies) haven't swayed a number of editors. Also, through out the process Warren has noted that TN has been civil (comments from the ANI). It seems to me if an editor is civil and making sound arguments during a rapid fire discussion where the other side has made a number of disputed edits, we aren't dealing with a problematic editor. Instead we are dealing with editors failing to effectively persuade others and show consensus for the changes. The BURDEN to get the consensus isn't on TN. Coming here after failing to "win" at ANI isn't the correct way to solve a content dispute. Springee (talk) 12:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, I haven't had a chance to post the links I feel would support my claims but I would like to offer an alternative to any sort of topic ban. I think TN is a net positive for the topic by balancing editors who are pushing for changes. Also I think some of the rapid fire edits and flood of talk page replies can result in an editor replying too quickly without fully considering their reply (for example dismissing a source without a detailed reply even though they may have a legitimate reason in their mind). Rapid fire discussions and feeling a bit attacked by a group of editors can sometimes make an otherwise good faith, civil editor trip up. In other cases where an editor is viewed as civil but to quick to reply a simple talk page reply limit has been successful. It allows the person to make their case but prevents bludgeoning. Looking at the Far right RfC on the page I see a number of editors who oppose it but aren't interested in engaging in the long back and forth.

Since sourcing had been mentioned, I will note that TN had put effort into looking at sources that have been used and making reasoned arguments why some otherwise RS fail WP:V. That takes effort. It also illustrates that TN rejecting sources may not be goal posts shifting but instead careful review of sources in context. Springee (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For admins considering a topic ban, would an edit limit be an acceptable alternative? Something like a 1RR limit + a reasonable talk page reply limit. This would allow TN to both voice views on changes and do things like evaluate sources that may fail WP:V in context. It also slows/stops rapid fire replies that can sometimes lead to other editors feeling goal posts are shifting. With only a limited number of replies per day an editor would wait and consider their words rather that quickly replying to every other comment. Net result they would tend limit their replies only to their strongest points. In TN's case I think even there objectors would agree TN does make some good points/observations and it would hurt articles overall if that part of their contribution was lost. Springee (talk) 17:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, I wasn't thinking of a word limit, rather a number of replies. Thus a long, detailed reply is fine. A short reply is also ok but somewhat discouraged because a short, "you are wrong" also ticks off one of the allowed replies for the day. A reply limit prevents flooding of the discussion. As an aside, I also think it would be good if the article had a custody required to restore a recent change. That was an issue with some of the recent content disputes where a questionable edit was made, it was reverted then another editor would restore the change vs follow BTD. Springee (talk) 18:29, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the closing admins, can I once again suggest an alternative that doesn't result in editors "winning" a content dispute via getting an opposing editor kicked off the island. This isn't a civility issue, only one of responding too fast, too much. I suggest a 1RR Ap2 limit combined with a daily talk page reply limit of say 3 replies (raising a wholly unrelated talk point is not a reply, but otherwise replies include direct replies as well as comments in a discussion). This would slow the rapid fire replies yet would still allow TN to do good work like review the shotgunning of sources that we saw in the discussions in question (many of those sources, while RS, failed V for the specific claim in question). This should be the smallest negative impact in order to achieve the goal here. Springee (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by GoodDay

Perhaps, it would be best to wait for the result of that related-RFC? GoodDay (talk) 13:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested closure of the aforementioned RFC at the US Republican Party article. GoodDay (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Jessintime

From my observations, it appears Toa has a much looser definition of what counts as a reliable source when it comes to topics that might make the left wing look bad. For example, he reinserted text attributed to Napolitan.org at Killing of Brian Thompson that an editor had removed for being biased [27]. If you're unfamiliar with Napolitan.org like I was, their about us page states their "mission is to magnify and amplify the true voice of the American people. A project of the Napolitan Institute, Napolitan News Service focuses on releasing daily data focused on the thoughts and desires of everyday Americans. Through our groundbreaking Counterpolling, we're asking questions that no one else is asking, and giving leaders and organizations the data they need to break free from the misleading messaging of out of touch Elites." He doubled down on the source being reliable in a subsequent RFC [28] [29] at one point telling someone else to "Please do some research" [30].

At the same time this was going on, Tao removed statements from the same article sourced to the likes of the BBC and Newsweek [31] and Wired and The Hill [32].

~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I am not attempting to re-litigate a content dispute as I have never edited that article in question or its talk page. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:11, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Darkfrog24

I skimmed the Republican Party talk page. Upon that cursory examination, this does look like a content matter, not a conduct matter. I will add that it also seems like Toa and Warren have different thresholds for what counts as a good source and what counts as a sufficiently neutrally worded RfC, which isn't misconduct on either editor's part. If Toa really is wrong or not sufficiently sourced, then there are RfCs and other longstanding protocols that can be used to overrule them. This does feel like it could be an attempt to use the disciplinary system to control content in that way, specifically that the complaint is not about disruption caused by a formerly topic banned editor failing to follow the rules but rather about bad feelings because that editor has not changed their mind or pretended to change their mind about content. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:46, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JayBeeEll

The behavior described by Simonm223 is very reminiscent of behavior from Toa Nidhiki05 that was common pre-topic ban (as well as the casual aspersions noted by Nableezy). But the only relevant evidence I would have to present is stuff from several years ago (2019--2022, say), before the topic ban. Admins, is that a thing that would be helpful here? (I feel like one issue discussed at WP:ARBPIA5, although perhaps not in the final decision, was that it's bad when you can tell that editors apply different standards depending on whether a source says something they agree with or not; that was an issue with TN05 in my experience, but again that's several years ago, so I don't know if anyone wants to see it. I haven't observed any of TN05's more recent editing.) [I am not watching this page, please ping.] --JBL (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The division of discussion across various forums makes it a bit difficult to ascertain that I've read through all of the relevant arguments. Toa Nidhiki05, could you please point me to a summary of the bibliography you believe establishes the majority of academic sources refer to the party as either center-right or right-wing, as well as brief comments regarding the bibliography compiled by Simonm223 and how they figure into your overall assessment of the literature? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:40, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, reviewing all of the relevant evidence presented by Warrenmck and Toa Nidhiki05 I note that:
- The allegations leveled in the initial case filing are two counts of tendentiously misrepresenting the state of consensus, one count of failure to comply with verifiability policy despite challenge, and one count of failing to engage with other editors in good faith.
  - Setting aside the consensus and good faith issues momentarily, as those require a fuller reading of the discussion as a whole to assess, I don't see any acknowledgment or response to the count of failing to comply with verifiability policy with respect to the addition of Keckler--in fact, it's even made it into their bibliography of sources supporting "center right" here. However, we construct an anatomy of the American center-right, which identifies them as incipient factions within the conservative movement and its political instrument, the Republican Party is not a statement that supports the claim that the Republicans are a center-right party--it supports the claim that they are a "conservative" party that includes a center-right faction. The paper as a whole further documents the fights between "moderate" conservatives in the party (and broader movement) and other factions. This is not to say that this rules out "center right" as a possible valid outcome to the discussion, but Toa has failed to do their homework in their presentation of sources to support their claims, and instead seems to be relying on sources that do not solidly support their position upon investigation, and has not engaged with the complaints about this specific source. In a similar vein, examples in the "right wing" set given here, even based solely on the quotes listed can also be taken as supporting designators further to the right e.g. ...Republican Party, or at least the dominant wing, which supports or tolerates Donald Trump and his Make America Great Again (MAGA) agenda have become a proto-typical populist radical right-wing party (PRRP).
- Warrenmck's assertion that this is the same pattern of behavior as the last AE that saw Toa topic-banned is inaccurate. That last report was way, way, way worse, and the pattern of problematic behaviors cannot be said to be the same, although there may be some overlap (admins last time basically looked at the case from arm's reach, each separately identified distinct, hugely problematic features with Toa Nidhiki05's behavior--which most flagrantly included personal attacks and edit warring but was not limited to that--and collectively agreed that the behavior was problematic enough that it warranted a topic-ban rather even without getting into the weeds of exactly what went wrong where)
- Toa's description of other discussions that they link to here are generally misleading.
  - It is highly misleading to summarize this discussion as agreed that the initial consensus didn’t actually look at sources--the discussion establishes that the prior discussion's closer did not vet each source individually or determine that each individual source is WP:DUE for inclusion; the participants in the prior discussion did discuss the sources and their general support for the statements for which consensus was found. It bears saying that this is normal process for discussion closure--closers are not generally expected to do their own separate close readings of the sources being discussed, just to assess what others have stated about them.
  - Similarly, the [33] discussion which is summarized as a later discussion found that reliable sources also say the party is center-right, and that this should be included as well shows extensive disagreement as to whether center-right belongs in the article. I would not describe this discussion as evincing any clear consensus, although among all the options "right wing" seems to be the frontrunner among participants.
  - The diff given [34] to support Warrenck, who did not participate in any of these to be clear, insists this never happened, despite being directed to it numerous times, does not demonstrate evidence of Warrenmck doing anything in particular.
  - To Toa Nidhiki05's credit, their description of the ANI thread prior to this case is essentially accurate. Most other responses did dismiss the issue as relitigating the content dispute. Warrenmck's comments there do cross into WP:BLUDGEON territory. It is also pretty evident, however, that most of the respondents (other than the two official parties here) did not analyze the relevant discussions thoroughly, so this finding doesn't preclude examining the case at AE.
- Having read through the discussions necessary to assess the above, I find merit in the accusation that Toa Nidhiki05 has misrepresented consensus in their discussions with other editors, prior to coming here. While misrepresentations of consensus can sometimes be good-faith errors, when taken together with the comments here, there is a consistent pattern of self-serving readings of discussions that crosses the line into tendentious behavior.
- Regarding the accusation that Toa Nidhiki05 has not engaged in good faith with sources presented by other editors, while it's fine to continue to disagree with other editors' positions it is hard to see how they can assert so confidently that the majority of academic sources refer to the party as either center-right or right-wing. The course of discussion generally demonstrates that a) there are a lot more academic sources on this specific topic out there that no one has evaluated one way or another b) among those that have been evaluated, there are a range of positions without clear majority for anything in particular c) several of the sources identified by Toa Nidhiki05 as supporting their position appear to give equal or greater support to other positions.
- In the course of the discussions at Talk:Republican Party (United States), Toa Nidhiki05 made repeated tit-for-tat arguments about labeling the Democratic Party as "far-left", using exclusively non-peer-reviewed sources. This is evidence of a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude, as the question of what RS say about the DP is not relevant to the discussion about how to describe the Republican Party. If this had been a brief tangent it would have been a non-issue, but Toa went three-comments-deep on this thread.
  - Refusing to engage substantively with the sources provided by Simonm223 is not sanctionable on its own. However, taken together with the other issues identified here, and the continued general participation in proceeding discussion, it is very bad form and a missed opportunity for Toa Nidhiki05 to demonstrate good faith editing.
- I note that throughout these discussions, while Toa has made a large number of comments, but does not appear to have at any point brought their own peer-reviewed sources for consideration--the sources cited here appear to have largely been provided by other editors. Again, this isn't sanctionable behavior by itself, but it is another missed opportunity to engage constructively. ~~Warrenmck has not brought any peer-reviewed sources either,~~ ( struck: they have brought to my attention that they did present a peer reviewed source in Special:Diff/26008348 _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:54, 4 February 2025 (UTC) ) but at least they're not the one insisting that that is the standard they are operating on.[reply]
- Toa Nidhiki05 and Warrenmck are also way over the word limit here. With respect to Toa Nidhiki05, initially I was going to turn a blind eye to that (I did after all request for a specific response, even if I didn't authorize an extension for it), but we've now gone waaaaay past that and Toa Nidhiki05 continues to respond to other editors.
- My overall assessment is that at a minimum, Toa Nidhiki05 merits a logged warning for misrepresenting prior discussions, not doing due diligence with respect to sources, and casting aspersions with insufficient evidence. The rap sheet is long enough, and there is an element of recidivism (because even if the exact behavior from the past AE case wasn't repeated in toto, we're still talking about persistent, tendentious behavior in defense of a consistent POV), that I think a topic ban should be seriously considered, either from the American politics CTOP or more narrowly from the Republican party.
- Separately, Warrenmck merits a logged warning for casting aspersions (specifically, in the misrepresentation of the prior AE case as identical behavior) and bludgeoning.
_signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from the unnecessary aspersions which I'm guessing have arisen as a result of how long this dispute has lingered, this does seem like a content disagreement that is currently being discussed. I haven't read through the entire ANI complaint but reading comments here, it seems like this dispute over the labeling of a political party is a subject that should be determined by our editors, not a small group of admins who visit this noticeboard.

And as an aside, I think it's important to not just look for sources that confirm what content you want to add but look over a variety of sources that represent the broadness of mainstream consensus. And if there is no agreement among scholars on how to label a political party, then THAT is what you put in an article. Political parties change over time and if this is a time of transition, then one identification shouldn't be forced. But, again, that is an opinion on a content dispute, not on editor behavior. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:39, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am open to reinstating the topic ban due to the aspersions. --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill's two logged warnings would be acceptable -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am beginning to really dive into this report, but I want to put one thing out there as I spend some time on this since I don't see anyone pushing back on it (besides Nableezy's reasonable request for diffs) and it being seemingly supported by Rosguill's summary: I take quite seriously Simonm223's point about Toa requesting certain kinds of sources and then ignoring them when presented. This seems qualitatively different than anything Warrenmck seemingly has done as a form of BATTLEGROUND/civil POVPUSHING. What am I missing or do I have this right and if so am I the only one who finds this a bigger issue than what Warrenmck has done? Barkeep49 (talk) 16:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Warrenmck: you're already at close to 1500 words. Presuming you can explain in less than 150 new words I'd be interested in what you have to say about Bludgeoning. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have now read through things. I am on board with the logged warning for Warrenmck and am glad he even acknowledges the bludgeoning (given that I would have also been OK with an informal warning, but logged is fine for me). For Toa, I continue to find the conduct worse than Warrenmck after reading everything. There is, to me, clear WP:CPUSH happening. To answer a question Toa Nidhiki05 asked above, this is different than the conduct of others because of the way he initially used the lack of academic sources as justification for his position (which was then copied by others) and then when academic sources were presented there was no attempt to re-examine what the right outcome was in light of new sourcing. And to the extent that this is true of others, that can be examined in other AE reports but I do find Toa's participation in those discussion to be different than others. Despite all this, examining this report in a vacuum, I can understand why people were suggesting closing with the same sanction (logged warning) despite the level of culpability being different. But Toa Nidhiki05 was topic banned from American Politics until September of last year when the topic ban was loosened. Now here we are less then 6 months later with new conduct issues. I feel the correct outcome for Toa is to reinstate the full topic ban. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Springee I will take a look in a little bit into the AE thread that got them topic banned and their successful appeal to see if my opinion changes because my suggestion of a topic ban is definitely based on past ArbCom guidance around recidivism rather than just conduct in the most recent content dispute. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Springee I did review the two threads last week and my mind wasn't changed so I didn't write anything. I appreciate your efforts to find an alternative than a topic ban. In general I'm not a huge fan of "sanction lifted, disruption resume, new lesser sanction imposed" but in this case I could see some sort of lesser sanction having been appropriate in the first place. But there would have to be something about the talk page participation and that gets tricky fast - I don't think it would be fair to give Toa a word limit that is reasonable and is across the board rather than for each discussion because even what is a "discussion" can vary based on when threads are continued versus started anew (see the recent discussion of this by ArbCom where a word limit can work on a topic basis or in the category of "formal discussion"). We can at AE impose just about any sanction we can think of by rough consensus so if there was something I thought could address the talk page side of things I'd be open to it but I am unaware of anything I think could work. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Following a request on my user talk, I retroactively grant Simonm223 an extension to 700 words. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the two logged warnings. As an admin who participated in the AE discussion that levied the TBAN, I agree that it isn't fair to say Toa's behavior is identical, but also that there have been places where it has strayed from the straight and narrow into gatekeeping and misrepresenting previous discussions. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We really ought to remember to enforce the "Only the filer and respondent are allowed to comment unless an exception is granted" rule; this kind of sprawling mess is the exact thing that rule was meant to curtail. That aside, I do not see a warning as being sufficient. Having been previously banned and granted an appeal is the warning. If Toa Nidhiki05 has engaged in further misconduct after the ban was lifted (and having read through the above, I believe they have), then we need to reinstate it. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Seraphimblade: That limitation is on the number of parties (that is, persons whose conduct is within the scope of review), not the number of commenters. SilverLocust 💬 11:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, maybe I'm an idiot then. Not the first nor likely the last time, though would that it were so. In any case, the rest stands though—Toa Nidhiki05 has already been banned and had the ban lifted; a warning at that point is more or less hot air. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 15:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(FWIW I made the exact same mistake when I read the ARBCOM case) _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We're fairly evenly divided in terms of outcomes. It seems that Rosguill, Vanamonde93, and Guerillero are in favor of a logged warning for both, Seraphimblade and I are in favor of a topic ban for Toa + logged warning for Warrnmck, and Liz not having expressed a preference for outcome (or maybe in favor of no sanction for either?) Barkeep49 (talk) 16:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am in favor of a tban for Toa Nidhiki as well as the warning for Warrenmck, and Guerrillero seems to also be open to this outcome. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be an acceptable outcome -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 18:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Barkeep49, you have raised valid concerns about whether ARBCOM members should even be participating at AE so I'd like to limit my involvement to occasional comments rather than recommendations over sanctions. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there is an asymmetry here, and that Toa has failed to substantively engage with some of the presented sources. My hesitation about reinstating the TBAN is a concern about fairness - so much of the talk page discussion about the Republican party is in forum territory, quite divorced from any discussion of the source material. In that context I don't see much separating Toa's behavior from the crowd. That doesn't make it acceptable, but that is the circumstance in which a logged warning feels appropriate to me. I won't stand in the way of a TBAN if everyone else favors one, though. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I supported a topic ban here not because Toa Nidhiki05 did anything particularly egregious in this instance, but rather because of the recidivism issue, with just having a similar sanction in the area lifted. Still, we certainly ought to bring this to some resolution, so if the consensus is for warnings all around, I'll go with that if need be. I just don't see the point in warning someone who's just recently been topic banned from the area; one might think that's warning enough if anything would be. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We should move to a close here. Vanamonde93, as the only administrator out of five here opposed to the topic ban for Toa outcome, do you want to further plead your case or can this be closed as such? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 03:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We should close with a TBAN. I don't feel the conduct rises to the level of a TBAN but I do feel there has been misconduct, and as such this isn't a hill I will die on. Even if I felt otherwise, we only require rough consensus here, not unanimity, so you would be justified in closing over my objections if I had more. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edax Mendacium

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2025-02-12 A revert (edit warring) after receiving AMPOL user talk alert. This is after receiving an edit summary from me of partial revert of the two paragraphs objected to on the talk page. please see WP:BRD. leaving the third paragraph about DEI for now. Edax Mendacium's wording changes are objected to by Alenoach on the talk page, in the section Talk:Sundar Pichai#Political positions. Edax Mendacium is ignoring the objections on the talk page and making the changes anyway.
2025-02-12 A revert (edit warring) after receiving BLP user talk alert. This is after receiving an edit summary from me of please get consensus for your controversial edit on the talk page

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I've had bad luck at the edit warring noticeboard before, and this is a CTOP area which requires more careful editing than normal, so starting here.
Edax Mendacium, the root problem is that you made your edit a couple weeks ago, were reverted, started a talk page discussion, the talk page discussion didn't go your way (received an objection). Then today you tried to reinstate your edit, I reverted it, you tried again, I reverted it, you tried again. From my point of view, you are well beyond WP:BRD here. You are at BRDBRBRB. In an area as sensitive as a CTOP, you need to be more careful about getting consensus for controversial edits. It feels to me like you are the one doing the bullying by trying to push through your edits over other's objections.
Also please stop calling other people's edits WP:VANDALISM, as you did here. Disagreements about editorial content are not vandalism.
Finally, your edits don't really add much new content. The "old edits" still talk about Project Nimbus and the inauguration. Your edits change the wording/tone, and that is what I believe is being objected to on the talk page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:28, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since I do not want to edit war, the objected-to revision is still the top revision. I think self-reverting and apologizing would be enough to close this report with no sanction. And of course the objected-to revision can be put back if a consensus is gained on the talk page. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Edax Mendacium

As you can see I am not a power user like you are. I can see that you're ignoring the things I am writing and attempting to bully me and bury me in jargon and maneuvers which I don't understand.

I* am the one who is being ignored. Both you and Alenoach ignored my contributions to the talk page.

I made an edit, which was removed without sufficient information. In good faith I engaged on the talk page, which this admin chose to ignore, instead engaging in an edit war by repeatedly removing my edit.

The edits are notable and easy to justify as they are well-sourced, notable, and relevant. Removing them is not, nor has any coherent argument been made to the contrary.

Consensus should be required in the other direction (removing up to date information about pinchai), as everything in the edit is well-sourced and notable. Aside from conforming to the formats of many similar pages of prominent businesspeople who engage in politics.

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Result concerning Edax Mendacium

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Edax Mendacium is a very new editor who clearly does not yet understand that the Neutral point of view is a core content policy and that complying with it is mandatory for all editors. They do not yet understand that pushing a political point of view in article space is not permitted, especially in a biography of a living person. I happen to share aspects of their point of view which I am happy to discuss in detail off-Wikipedia but not on Wikipedia. This editor must learn that Wikipedia is not a platform for advocacy of any kind, no matter how righteous they may feel. So, the question arises: how to deal with this new editor? In a sense, this is up to Edax Mendacium. The editor can acknowledge the policies and guidelines that are being explained to them and promise to comply. On the other hand, they might choose to dig in their heels and continue argue their own righteousness. In that case, we should consider a topic ban on biographies of living people and a topic ban on post-1992 politics of the United States. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If, instead, Edax Mendacium absents themselves from further discussion as they are currently doing, perhaps a p-block from the article in question is an adequate solution. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill, are you proposing a block from the article only, or talk as well? Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:58, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I meant just the article, as the evidence here primarily concerns edit war edits to the mainspace article. I have not inspected the quality of discussion on the talk page in detail. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 14:10, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aganon77

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Thank you, I did not know how to create this request. Aganon77 (talk) 14:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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It's clear that Aganon77 thinks that because he perceives himself to be right, he can edit war against other editors in violation of the apparent consensus at the talk page against him, and that he is unable to drop the stick and walk away from the issue. I therefore think some kind of sanction is necessary. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~{{{1}}}~~ Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was a raxy joe job. My apologies. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Aganon77

The editors are bulk reverting contributions that expand on existing citations of the article. For example, a critique that found statistically significant results but concluded against their results only included the conclusion.

A false statement regarding people who conduct these experiments and metaanalysis as parapsychologists when several experiments and meta analysis had been conducted by skeptics.

An omission of the history of development of the method by skeptics.

All the edits references above used existing references in the article, yet they were reverted.

Finally I added the results of a recent registered report, a scientific publication that is conducted in two phases and is peer-reviewed and it is also deleted.

I also added a note for disputed citation regarding a lack of replication of an experiment that has been conducted 78 times, mostly with similar results.

See edits here

Statement by MrOllie

Noting here that I was opening a Edit warring report at the same time this was being opened, more edit warring diffs can be found here.

I support Hemiauchenia's comments.

To be clear, the issue here are edits at Ganzfeld experiment which seek to suggest that such experiments are replicable and have demonstrated the existence of ESP.

Aganon77's response to talk page discussion has been to dismiss anyone who will not conduct WP:OR/WP:NOTFORUMish debates about 'methodological rigor', calling opposition 'gatekeeping' ([35]). They seem to reject the idea that we would consider the publisher, as expected by WP:RS. - MrOllie (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by LuckyLouie

User edit warring at Ganzfeld experiment with massive citation bombing [36] seeking to have Wikipedia state that experiments have demonstrated the existence of ESP. Talk page discussions include multiple experienced editors advising the user that WP:FRINGE parapsychology journals are not considered independent sources that can be used to overturn the scientific consensus regarding the existence of ESP, Psi, the paranormal, etc. however edit warring continues, hence the need for an administrative solution to mitigate the disruption. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Aganon77

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Just acknowledging here that Aganon77 was blocked today for 1 week for edit-warring. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The talk page comments make me think the week block isn't sufficient to limit disruption --Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence but Aganon77 is attempting to make an extraordinary claim using poor quality fringe sources, and engaging in edit warring and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behavior. Although only an essay, I think that Wikipedia:Lunatic charlatans sheds some light on this situation. I think that either an indefinite sitewide block or a topic ban on paranormal phenomenon broadly construed ought to be the outcome. Cullen328 (talk) 07:20, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The combination of IDHT, verbosity, and edit warring is unequivocally disruptive, and Aganon77's response doubles down rather than make any sort of commitment to working towards a consensus. I agree with Cullen328's remedies. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aganon77, I've probably told many people the same thing: You don't have to agree with a consensus or believe it's right, but you do have to follow it until or unless it changes, and there does come a time to shrug, realize you can't win 'em all, and walk away. There are some I've disagreed with, and still do, but I still follow them, because that is how editing here works if you want to continue doing it. So, your decision is: Would you be willing to abide by a topic ban from topics like this while you learn to edit more collaboratively on less contentious articles, or is this the end of the line? Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SpunkyGeek

Blocked indefinitely, as a regular admin action, as part of the Moksha88 meatpuppetry ring. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 08:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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01:06, 18 January 2025 - Cited a 1909 source for a contentious POV claim.
18 January 2025 - Citing a self published book by a popular historian Vikram Sampath for a POV claim
10:24, 12 February 2025 - Restored aforementioned disputed edits in violation of WP:ONUS.
09:06, 14 February 2025 - Malformed tagging of a notable article for PROD
09:21, 14 February 2025 - Edit warring to keep that tag in in violation of WP:PROD guideline.
09:25, 14 February 2025 - Denying edit warring when warned
09:28, 14 February 2025 - Engages in whataboutism in order to justify his tagging

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[37]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

@Cullen328: The problems with SpunkyGeek are not new. It is unwise to insert PROD tag once it was reverted, but SpunkyGeek still did that. On the talk page he falsely claimed that only "2 sources" were provided from the First presidency of Donald Trump despite the article version at that time had at least 6 sources from that period.

Before all this, on Ram Mandir, he falsely claimed that "contemporary archaeological survey conducted by the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) suggesting the existence of the Ram Mandir in medieval times," and falsified the source he cited. His presence on Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) was also unhelpful because he would defend removal of critical content and would misrepresent guidelines to justify the removals.[38] He removed Al-Jazeera by falsely claiming that it is "not a reliable source". [39] He removed another critical source only because it was not written in English language.[40] Also see this POV-based attribution of the source as "Western news outlets" only because the source happened to be independent and reliable. These are just some examples.

Hindutva-based POV pushing by this user is going on for a long time. His response to this report is evasive at best. Some action is clearly necessary now. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 10:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abhishek0831996 your initial allegation was I was engaging in edit warring which is clearly NOT the case, and even respected admin- @Cullen328 has acknowledged that.

And as that gets BUSTED! you have shifted the goal post.

Therefore you are labeling as a "Hindutva" editor - when I have always respected Wikipedia's guidelines and never misused the platform to label another editor. Regarding all the links you have shared - if they were reverted I did not engage in edit war but discussed with them to understand their POV to establish consensus. Wikipedia is a platform to share thoughts from all sides of the spectrum - with civility and build consensus based on reliable sources.

However @Cullen328 and @Liz I have never had any interaction with user: @Abhishek0831996, I feel like I am being targeted and attacked here just because I have a different opinion or point of view. SpunkyGeek (talk) 04:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [41]

Discussion concerning SpunkyGeek

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Statement by SpunkyGeek

- Respected admins,

Firstly, I have neither violated 3RR nor engaged in edit warring.

Secondly - complying with Wikipedia's policies I had already started talk page discussions - 1 - for points 4,5,6,7 and 2 for points 1,2,3.

Thirdly, editor @Abhishek0831996 - has not even participated in the above talk page discussions let alone making significant contributions.

I have been civil in my arguments as well as not shown bad faith.

I have faith in Wikipedia's admins and who will adjudicate in the interest of the platform and editors who follow guidelines.

- Reply to admin-Liz

@Liz - this is my first nomination of deletion for an article - and I clearly misunderstood it. I apologize for my misunderstanding. Thank you for understanding my case.

- Reply to admin-Cullen328

@Cullen328 - Exactly my point - I have no objections to removing the content if it is established that the book from Vikram Sampath is an unreliable source. I even started a talk page discussion regarding that but I did not get a response back, hence reinstated it. Appreciate the understanding respected admin.

- Reply to admin-Rosguill

@Rosguill if you see my edits - I was clearly not able to understand the guideline regarding PROD and coupled with that - I even executed it wrong - therefore I created a talk page discussion. (This is my first time nominating an article for deletion) I sincerely apologize for understanding it wrong - and executing it wrong.

Thanks! SpunkyGeek (talk) 05:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have never engaged in edit-warring with you. If you reverted my edit and I disagreed, I always made sure to discuss it on the talk page before making any further changes.

Adding content based on reliable sources does not violate any policy. While you may have considered it POV-pushing, I did not. In cases of disagreement, I always engaged in discussion (see here) and refrained from modifying the content unless a consensus was reached. SpunkyGeek (talk) 04:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC) Moved comment to own section. Please make all comments, including responses, only in this section. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Statement by Vanamonde

Some action is needed here: SpunkyGeek has a history of removing content with spurious explanations (e.g., [42], [43]) and adding content that isn't entirely verifiable or is a violation of NPOV, often by presenting as fact something that RS report as a statement (e.g., [44], [45], [46], [47]). Not to mention the concerns about POV-pushing/PROMO related to BAPS and its affiliates, which were discussed at SPI, including the addition of a slew of images with bad licensing [48]. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning SpunkyGeek

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No comment on the first 3 edits but it's not a violation for an editor to mess up tagging a page for a PROD or for mistakenly retagging it. Many editors don't understand PROD guidelines. I'll have to look closer at the content references. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:49, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think that the diffs provided justify any arbitration enforcement action against SpunkyGeek at this time. Objecting to an article created in response to actions of the second Trump administration on a WP:NOTNEWS basis does not seem unreasonable to me. Citing Vikram Sampath may or may not be a good idea in the specific context, but it is not egregious. He is a fellow of the Royal Historical Society, after all. Cullen328 (talk) 07:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SpunkyGeek, this section is only for comments by uninvolved administrators. Please move your comments to your own section. Cullen328 (talk) 05:16, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While proposing the initial PROD does not violate any policy or guidelines, re-instating the tag after it is challenged does. It is also edit warring. As for the edits at Varanasi, while Abhishek is ultimately correct about the underlying practice of WP:RAJ, on the talk page other editors failed to engage SpunkyGeek in adequate discussion to explain this to them. Procedurally, there is nothing wrong with SpunkyGeek waiting a few weeks for a response (that was supposed to arrive the same day) and then reinstate their edit.

That having been said, I find the edits highlighted in Abhishek's follow-up concerning. Individually they could be written off as errors: collectively, they paint a picture of civil POV-pushing. The edit dismissing a non-English source is particularly egregious, but the other edits could at best be described as sloppy, to a degree that is collectively incompatible with CTOP editing even if full good faith is assumed.. I am leaning towards a topic-ban for these reasons. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:50, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request page restrictions for Genocide & Talk:Genocide

Increased page protection declined. SilverLocust 💬 12:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I recently came across the Genocide article and noticed that users were discussing content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict on the talk page (see Talk:Genocide#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_26_October_2024). At this point, the article Genocide does relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict and the same active arbitration remedies that apply to List of genocides (which does have the active arbitration remedies warning on its talk page) should also apply to the Genocide article.

For that reason, I am requesting that the Genocide and Talk:Genocide pages be restricted per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel_articles#Definition_of_the_"area_of_conflict".

User involvement disclosure: I am an extendedconfirmed editor that has been involved in editing articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, specifically Gaza genocide. I also participated with an edit to the Talk:Genocide page. JasonMacker (talk) 19:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this is the wrong place for this. Check Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This page can be used to request page restrictions as contentious topics sanctions. I don't see recent disruption to justify increased page protection for a talk page or non-primary article (under the WP:PIA#General sanctions upon related content and WP:ARBECR point B), but I'll place a notice on the talk page. Unless another admin sees a need for protection, I'll just mark this as

Not done and collapse it later. SilverLocust 💬 23:32, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SilverLocust WP:PIA5 recently concluded with a provision that all ARBPIA articles are to be placed under extended-confirmed protection by default, without requiring recent disruption. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:31, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an ARBPIA article. Unfortunately, there is currently no way to control access to page sections or specific content within an article that is not primarily related to the Arab-Israeli conflict i.e. articles that contain "relatedcontent". It's all or nothing. Pages with relatedcontent can be tagged (e.g. with ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement|relatedcontent=yes or the newer Contentious topics/talk notice|a-i|section=yes templates) but ARBECR enforcement has to be done by people rather than the server. Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have the technical ability to "protect" part of an article via edit filter, and this is explicitly allowed in WP:ARBECR. I'm not sure if it's ever been done, though. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 19:46, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would each filter end up having to be page specific in practice? Sean.hoyland (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it could be implemented with like, one filter that makes it so a certain string can only be added or removed by admins, like  and a matching closing comment, and another filter that makes it so any text between those two tags can only be edited by extended confirmed users. Then that would work on an arbitrarily large number of pages. To be clear, no comment on whether this should be done in this case, just answering in the abstract as one of the resident ECR geeks. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 02:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Thanks. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes wonder what Wikipedia would be like if policy compliant sentences (products of RfCs for example) could be promoted to be objects with properties (including restrictions), reusable components, like in a headless content management system. It's possible that there is a downside to playing with Lego too much as a kid. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Kip: This makes it clear it applies only to primary content, i.e. articles that are wholly about Arab-Israeli conflict topics (such as Operation Accountability or Nova music festival massacre). ArbCom made a distinction back in PIA4 between articles on conflict-related topics and those where the conflict is a smaller part of the article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 18:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Randomstaplers

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Request concerning Randomstaplers

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Pppery (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Randomstaplers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Also editing as Randomsalt - the use of two accounts is properly disclosed and not a factor here, although both accounts have participated in the dispute.

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/COVID-19#Contentious topic designation

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Edit warring at Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic

1 February 2025 Adds a maintenance tag
7 February 2025 First revert
11 February 2025 Second revert
17 February 2025 Threatens to make a third revert

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Placed a {{Contentious topics/aware}} template for the area of conflict on their own talk page.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This is a long-term pattern of WP:BLUDGEONing of Talk:Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic#NIOSH's 1992 method for determining the effectiveness of resporators as a "public health exposure control method", edit warring against three or four other editors, and refusal to WP:DROPTHESTICK dating back to at least September. I've only included the most recent flare up in the diffs above, but you can see the history for more.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Randomstaplers&diff=prev&oldid=1276249790

Discussion concerning Randomstaplers

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Statement by Randomstaplers

I don't know why I've ended up here right away.

~~I wasn't even taken to ANI first~~, and I've tried participating in which closed with @Robert McClenon, who asked for through discussion before returning.

Recent readings, namely this NIOSH document made me feel the need to start a discussion. I've also read [49]. I don't know why this content dispute is being brought forth here this quickly.

On my talk page, my confusion wasn't thoroughly explained, so I thought there would be no objections to my comments.

Additional comments on Bon Courage's talk page - "I don't think it was inflammatory" (sic)

Also, you objected. I get it. I've followed Roberts DRN guidelines while it was up.——Randomstapler's alt 20:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz - I've logged into my main account. 22:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC) ⸺(Random)staplers 22:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hesitate to bring this up... but two uninvolved editors added themselves to the DRN, without being involved on the article talk page. I don't know if it impacted the outcome of this dispute, but I feel it's worth mentioning. ⸺(Random)staplers 06:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Seraphimblade - I'm still wondering why no one warned me properly to stop.

I knew about the annoying "dead pixel" phenomenon that was plaguing my mind, and was trying to present new information I'd found while I'd been editing other articles.

Maybe a mentorship and a logged warning would be more helpful. I... may have gotten a bit drunk looking at sources all day. And... this is my first offense. ⸺(Random)staplers 19:06, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, if it needs to be said... I promise to refrain from editing the article.

I've already made enough of a fuss, I know others can take over from here. ⸺(Random)staplers 19:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Robert McClenon

I am not entirely sure why I was pinged by User:Randomstaplers concerning the dispute that I tried to mediate three months ago. I did not take part in any discussion or dispute about face masks after I closed the dispute at DRN three months ago, and so do not have an opinion at this time about the edits in question. If they are asking me to say that they cooperated at DRN, I won't exactly do that for two reasons. First, their conduct three and four months ago is not the same as their conduct in the more recent past. Second, more seriously, I found them to be a difficult editor to try to work with. I spent most of the exchanges asking them to specify exactly what they wanted to change in the article that another editor wanted to leave the same, or what they wanted to leave the same that another editor wanted to change, and then asking them whether they were questioning the reliability of a source. I found them to be a long-winded editor who was not concise. I wish the uninvolved administrators here well in analyzing the issues here. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The other editors at DRN did not cause the DRN to be, in the words of Bon Courage, "lengthy and ultimately abortive", which was primarily due to Randomstaplers giving long answers that didn't answer the questions of the moderator. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Bon courage

This editor has been editing Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic for several months, lately using two similarly named accounts to do so and edit warring over tags. There was a lengthy and ultimately abortive DRN process at the end of last year. Insofar as it's possible to divine this editor's intent, it seems they want to insert their own private thoughts and/or WP:SYNTH to undercut the published science on this topic, which they believe is wrong, and will not be deterred by consensus against them. A topic ban or page block would bring some relief from the timesink this has evidently become.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Randomstaplers

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

Thanks for logging into your primary account, Randomstaplers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am seeing a long period of tendentious editing from Randomstaplers on this article, of which edit warring over the maintenance tag over the objection of multiple other editors is only the latest instance. At minimum, I think Randomstaplers needs to be restricted from further participation on this article, via either partial block (including from discussion) or topic ban. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BePrepared1907

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Request concerning BePrepared1907

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Smallangryplanet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: BePrepared1907 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA / WP:EC / WP:GAMING

BePrepared1907 created their account in 2015, making 50 edits that year. They edited occasionally from 2015–2022. By October 2023, they had under 100 edits. In November and December 2023, they added 454 edits, becoming ECR:

317 in November (including 129 on November 30 and 70 on November 27)
137 in December (94 on December 3)

Most of their edits involve adding/updating descriptions, adding the same source across articles, or wikilinking, suggesting possible gaming. After some inactivity, they resumed regular edits in August 2024, becoming a SPA. Many of their contributions focus on deleting content, often citing POV or SYNTH issues, though many edits lack descriptions.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Adding POV changes with misleading or no edit descriptions (diff, diffs) (diff, diff, diff)
Restoring content added without consensus (diff) which was also the subject of a discussion involving multiple socks pushing for the lead to be updated. The content was restored by Shoogiboogi, a blocked sock, reverted, and then restored again by BePrepared1907.
Failing WP:FRINGE, WP:UNDUE and WP:EW (diffs). The same content was previously added by Shoogiboogi in the Gaza genocide article.
Failing WP:NPOV (diff). Shoogiboogi did the same edit after a couple of weeks.
Removing a quote criticising hasbara, with the summary “Why is this big POV quote by a French communist notable at all?” (diff)

Recently the user Boksi was blocked for being a sock of Galamore. I noticed some similarities between Boksi and BePrepared that might warrant a closer look. I am not familiar with Galamore so there might be some behavioural clues that I am missing. Since November 2024 – when the Boksi account switched to being a SPA in PIA – there have been some instances where the edits are similar or outright identical, for example:

Template:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–2024) infobox (Boksi, BePrepared)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calls for the destruction of Israel (2nd nomination) – both of them voted which doesn’t say much but it is a weird coincidence that both forgot to sign and had to add a signature later (Boksi, BePrepared)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian suicide attacks – both of them also voted here on the same days of the previously mentioned AfD, Boksi on January 9 and BePrepared on January 15 (Boksi, BePrepared)
Criticism of Amnesty International (BePrepared, Boksi) both do the exact same revert with a 12hr difference. Seemingly to avoid edit warring. It was the first edit on that page by both accounts. The content being reverted was also highlighted off wiki (tweet)
Palestinian suicide attacks – again, same revert within a day (BePrepared1, Boksi1, BePrepared2, Boksi2)

I have also noticed they are usually never online the same days or, for the few days when both accounts are active, never at the same time. Both have long periods without editing. The day after Boksi was blocked, BePrepared was active again, after 10 days of inactivity. Might be worth looking into.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

2025-01-12 Not a sanction as such but they've been accused several times in that SPI of being a sock and investigations are as far as I can tell ongoing.

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 2024-09-28 (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Note that this is not a request for an SPI, I included that information for context, but that investigation is already happening over on that corner of the site. This is for AE regarding ARBPIA/EC/GAMING, and a separate issue. I could open a new SPI as well/in lieu if that's what you recommend? (cc @Liz) Smallangryplanet (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

diff of notification

Discussion concerning BePrepared1907

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Statement by BePrepared1907

Statement by Sean.hoyland

"never at the same time." is not quite right. Both accounts edit in short bursts of a few edits (ban evading actors operating multiple accounts sometimes display this pattern), and sometimes the bursts are close to each other. Not often though. Examples include 2024-11-10 and 2025-01-15. You can see the pattern here. Sean.hoyland (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by IOHANNVSVERVS

This is a very likely sock account of Galamore based on overlapping editing with Boksi and Shoogiboogi. But whether or not this user is confirmed as a sock, their behaviour regarding POV-pushing should be taken seriously here. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 21:51, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning BePrepared1907

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

AE is to investigate possible violations of arbitration case guidelines. If you have suspicions about possible sockpuppetry, please file a case at WP:SPI. All editors and most admins who would respond here do not have the privileges enabled to investigate sockpuppetry claims. Plus, it just belongs at SPI especially if it relates to an existing case. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Smallangryplanet, my concerns with sockpuppetry claims on any noticeboard is that at times they can be brought up to disparage an editor in a way that regular admins on the project can't verify to indicate that they are accurate. That's why filers are directed to go to SPI if they have these concerns. This is just my point of view, but I think it's best to only bring up claims and charges that can be supported by diffs so editors and admins can see the argument that is being made. Raising issues that can't be verified, here, can just serve to prejudice other editors against the accused editor. I'm not accusing you of doing this, you just posed the question to me about SPIs and this is my general response. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't have a problem with sockpuppetry allegations being made outside of SPI, as long as it's in the pursuit of an administrative remedy and not a mere aspersion. Bringing this up at AE has the disadvantage of potentially fewer sockpuppetry-oriented admins, but the advantage that we can also consider whether edits are sanctionable under CTOP. (I mean, we can do that at SPI, and occasionally do, but it's not our mandate.) On the socking front, I hope to be able to post thoughts in this space within the next 24 hours, but I need to talk a bit more with a few other admins who are familiar with relevant SPIs. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 23:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ymerazu

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Request concerning Ymerazu

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: TarnishedPath (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 11:00, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ymerazu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBCOVID-19

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

00:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC) In response to a question from them asking if a suggested change was implemented and then me responding that why would it be when there is no consensus, they wrote "If you have a peanut gallery of people who think the lab leak is a conspiracy theory and they monitor every single change and comment in this talk page then yes you get that appearance. A few users throwing a tantrum does not mean the material does not belong in the article".
01:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC) I left a suggestion on their user talk that they strike the comment in the diff above as it was "not following the behavioural best practice which is expected in a contentious topic area".
09:46, 19 February 2025 (UTC) WP:GASLIGHT another editor when they respond to them with "Thankfully, editor consensus does not agree with you. Unfortunately for our readers, the page does not reflect consensus".

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on 01:22, 26 January 2025 (UTC) (see the system log linked to above).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The editors statistics indicate that at the time of this filling they had 39 edits, 38 of their edits were at Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory and one of their edits were in their sandbox. After their comment to me on 14 February I quickly messaged them to give them the opportunity to follow the behavioural best practice which is expected in CTOPS and strike their comment. At present have not done so and have taken to arguing that consensus is something other than what it clearly is. The editor is clearly a WP:SPA and this should be nipped in the bud before further disruption occurs.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

10:58, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Ymerazu

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Statement by Ymerazu

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Ymerazu

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[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

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