Talk:The Queen Is Dead

The Queen Is Dead is currently an Albums good article nominee. Nominated by Cattos ^💭 at 16:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

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Expand and reference this, and it could easily be a featured article

Thoughts?--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 00:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the NME ranks this as the greatest album ever, why is it only rated as a 'mid-importance album' on wikipedia. This doesn't make sense. 80.1.165.31 (talk) 21:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because the NME has always been prone to going way over the top, and have been known to call 3 or 4 albumns a week "the greatest album ever"? - SchroCat (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I'll see if I can make some work here over the next couple of days. At least bring it to GA. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Is there a reason why this page is titled "The Queen Is Dead", rather than "The Queen is Dead", which would be more MOS compliant? Most third party sources use a lower case i in the middle: any reason why we are not? - SchroCat (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The cover art cleary shows it as "Is"? 80.1.165.31 (talk) 20:58, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which isn't a good reason to go against the MoS. - SchroCat (talk) 21:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What better reason could there be? The artist chooses the name, not Wikipedia's MoS. Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jangle Pop Genre?

IS there enough reason to add jangle pop as a genre? The Smiths are cited as a jangle pop band on both the Wikipedia page for Jangle pop and for List of jangle pop bands, and articles about TQID such as this one on Consequence of Sound are tagged with "jangle pop". Does this warrant adding it to the genre list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.220.233 (talk) 10:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary hatnote?

Given what just happened, it's likely people will be searching on this phrase. Should we put in a temporary hatnote to redirect them to what they might well want to read? Daniel Case (talk) 18:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been done. Daniel Case (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

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Nominator: Cathodography (talk · contribs) 16:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: LastJabberwocky (talk · contribs) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, picking up your nomination! I make minor edits myself, if you disagree we can discuss these edits here. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording

..under the working title "Margaret on the Guillotine". Just to double check; are you sure this "Margaret" is Margaret Thatcher, the source writes about that? —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

Simon Reynolds highlighted how Morrissey's lyrics, inspired by both absurd humour and serious reflection, positioned the singer as a "spurned savior" of British music. The source doesn't directly say that the lyrics positioned him as a spurned savior, but I think you right. In any case we should rephrase the sentence, probably moving "spurned savior" critical reception and merge Simon Reynolds with the previous sentence describing the lyrics in a similar manner. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first of these is reputed to have been addressed to Geoff Travis, head of the Smiths' record label Rough Trade, however Morrissey denies this. With this the source mentions Morrissey's response to the the speculations. Do we have source for the speculations themselves? Also are you sure morrisseycentral.com is reliable; Morrissey's response feels like a tweet, if it is I would cite the tweet directly. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"A few songs, including "The Queen Is Dead" and "Bigmouth Strikes Again", feature pitch-shifted backing vocals.." and until the end of the paragraph. I think this one closer to recording and can be merged with a similar idea in "Background and recording". —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Release

"favoured releasing "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out" as the lead single, but Johnny Marr insisted on "Bigmouth Strikes Again", believing it was a more energetic and striking choice that better represented the band's sound, though it was not released as a single until 12 October 1992.." "There Is a Light That Never Goes Out" or "Bigmouth Strikes Again" not released as a single until 12 October 1992? "Though" better works with "Bigmouth.." but the right answer seems to be "There is a Light.." —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

WIP

Links

Some of the sources are bare-linked. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do these sources work for you [1] and [2]. Not working for me. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright

copyvios picks up three sources with excessive presence of copyrighted material. One is a wiki mirror (irrelevant). Another two are soundonsound and shortlist. We need to trim/rephrase some quotes, in particular these ones: —LastJabberwocky (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"At that time, apart from the harmoniser, he didn't go for much backing vocal or harmony work – he's done that more on recent albums – but he did like to experiment".
"Morrissey, Johnny and I had a really good working relationship – we were all roughly the same age and into the same kind of things, so everyone felt quite relaxed in the studio"
The Queen Is Dead was ruined by a technical glitch on the tape